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Source: ADAC Customer satisfaction 1 Subaru 2 Toyota 3 Honda 4 Daihatsu Fahrzeuge der Baujahre Platz Mittelklasse Rückrufe | Autokummerkasten | Aktuelle Umfrage Praxistest | Pannenstatistik Springer, London, STARTS Guide. The STARTS Pannenstatistik ADAC e.V., München, Aggarwal, K. Reliability engineering. Renault committed to a robust and continuous quality approach in been rated as “good” and then “excellent” by ADAC Pannenstatistik.

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pannenstafistik Also, these only show the winners in their respective categories, not an overall ranking. I do know that the little Toyota Starlet and its relatives were big over-all winners often. And to anticipate your concerns, ADAC notes mileage on each vehicle of every call in order to adjust the raw data.

The Germans are very thorough. I almost left off the most recent decade because there are some questions about whether the numbers are becoming increasingly irrelevant and less reliable due to a number of circumstances.

But the number from the eighties and nineties are considered by the automotive manufacturers as very accurate. The reality is that mechanical breakdowns have been dropping pretty steadily the whole time, so that the relative difference between cars is becoming less relevant. You be the judge.

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I expected more VW in those columns but that may just goes to show how much worse the other brands are. Volvo, Saab and Volkswagen seems to be middle of the road, so to speak.

Neither the best or the worst of the lot. Not that many Alfas. Only pannnestatistik 04 and BMW shows up at least 7 times in the worst column. Have to agree on the rest though.

Yes, I noticed all those Alfas and Fiats. I notice almost the complete abscense of Mercedes W in the list. W and W tops the lists of its class every year, until und the arrival of the W Symptomatic of the Rise and Fall of Daimler-Benz? The next 12 years I added k to it. Can you provide evidence for this? Does Mercedes provide free roadside assistance in Europe like they do here, and do they contract with someone other than ADAC?

That would do it. By then there are enough cars which are not part of any roadside assistance program anymore. That sounds like BS. BMW, etc would offer more roadside assistance than an economy brand. I have learned my share of graduate level statistics. If this is actually the explanation from ADAC, I have to say their study has no credibility whatsoever.

In any case, the consensus tends to be that their numbers from the eighties and nineties are good, but that after that it gets more questionable:. OK, long-time reader and owner of this CC specimen here, and this post finally gets me to register and comment.

General repair frequency was certainly not in Toyota Starlet territory, but roadside failure frequency was, at least in this case. Goes to show once again that one car is a pretty small sample. But that pannrnstatistik one car I bet would be pannenstaitstik to turn up even in fertile CC country. I for one am shocked! Who would have guessed? Is that the maximum insult, there autos are not even statistically significant?

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Most members of ADAC join just to buy roadside assistance. Most people will save the expense if and as long they are covered under another program. One needs to keep in mind that this statistics only contains defects that get you stranded. Still, the German brands fare a lot better than you would expect from all the noise over here. This year my next door neighbor got stranded four times in her 65oi due to faulty steering lock and had it lemon-lawed.

A lady at work cannot wait for her i lease to end so she can get rid of her electrical gremlins. I can see why Audi tops the list. Pnnenstatistik the argument that all manufacturers offer roadside assistance is BS. The economy brands offer it as an option which will often entail slower and less comprehensive service than ADAC. I am not alone with this opinion.

German speakers can look at the Wikipedia article http: It gets totally absurd when you look at what signifies a breakdown according to ADAC. About a third are electrical problems, of which the majority is, drumroll please: Equally flimsy statistics, but interestingly enough, Autobild regularly conducts long-term tests of cars k KMin which German cars regularly fare poorly and Japanese cars are spectacularly untemperamental.

What exactly is an economy brand for you? My parents had mobility guarantees on their french car Citroen C2 since at least Martin, here is my comment from your post two years ago: I think this once relevant way of gathering reliability statistics no longer works well. This info comes strictly from roadside break-downs. Years ago, when cars were generally less reliable, this made more sense.

But in my opinion, roadside breakdowns are so infrequent now, that the statistical differences are inconclusive. That sums up how I feel about it now.

The fact that certain cars repeatedly scored high or low back in the 80s and 90s tends support a degree of accuracy. I was mainly interested in this from a historical perspective, because of the Starlet article. I remember reading back then in ams how annoyed the Germans were about Toyota taking the top spot away from the MB diesel year in and year out. The vast majority of problems are flat batteries or other starting problems, very rarely anything mechanical.

Or you might fill up in the south with winter diesel, and drive km north and still have it freeze. We also get a lot of people who put petrol in diesel cars. And even some who put diesel in a petrol car.

With a goddamn funnel! Pretty much any car is reliable enough for me to consider. Every brand has lemons, some more than others though. One pannejstatistik driver says that his Volvo was the most reliable car ever for The next driver thinks BMW is super and damns Volvo to hell, and the third only drives Mercedes as he has for the last 30 years.

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Despite the trim falling off after k. And still buys a Toyota for his next ride. Paul, thanks for taking the time to translate all this for us. Having past ties ;annenstatistik the Czech Republic, I hope that current Skodas are reliable.

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The last one I took a ride in had clocked up over k miles and was still going strong. And the Saturn L based on an Opel design, equally awful and built here.

Seems the Delta platform is a vast improvement over what came before it. At least as used in the US. This is a complicated subject adaf one I have given much thought. Firstly many people dont stick to the facts and for some or other emotional reason cannot accept what they hear and have to come up with conspiracy theories.

The Japanese car industry is under threatreliability has improved for most manufacturers across the board. I do believe that the average japanese car has less teething problems than a european car.

However when it comes mechanical the difference is almost irrelevant. This is backed up in adac results and the trend is that the less boring and more advanced the japanese car the greater the likely hood of breakdown. The pressure from South Korea ie: Kia and Hyundia are going to be the death knell of the likes of Mazda and Nissan as they are using German engineering and a more conservative quality program.

So my question adaf those who dont see my logic Toyota after 10 years in f1 how many wins. All the brilliant engineering came to 0. Lets look at Le Mans and how many attempts results 0. So if we look at a smaller co. So do I believe Audi to be more reliable than Toyota ,no because Audi is cutting edge and shall have many more teething problems.

On a different angle more people are employed directly and indirectly in the motor industry in england er nosorry in Germany than any other. You must be logged in to post a comment. Thirty Years Of Pannenstatistik.

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